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JeremyV
07-12-03, 11:22 AM
So... as business is continuing to expand and more and more servers are being deployed, it is time to start analyzing costs. When looking at leasing servers right now, it works out that by purchasing a smaller number of these MUCH more powerful servers would be the same price or slightly cheaper than leasing what we use now.

So, does anyone use either of these vendors for servers? When building the servers on their websites, it seems that comparable hardware configurations the IBM is actually a bit cheaper (looking at a xSeries 345 and xSeries 360)

Both compaq and ibm offer lease to own solutions for businesses, so with a 24 or 36-month lease, the monthly payments would almost be the same, or slightly lower than what is being paid right now.

So, that leads me to another question when using high end servers like these. Right now, I typically use single CPU P4 2.4GHz machines. Great servers, solid, and pretty quick, but lack SCSI which is the main bottleneck. So... with dual Xeon 2.8GHz CPUs with 2GHz of DDR ram with SCSI.. that would obviously be a lot faster. So, in all likelyhood, we could probably consolidate a couple P4 boxes into one of these machines then, correct?

I've never worked with more high-end equipment before, so I may be expecting too much out of the hardware, or I may also be underestimating it. But it seems to me, it would be optimal to have a lower number of more powerful servers that have the ability to be upgraded in the future (quad CPUs and up to 16GB ram) rather than a large fleet of "white box" servers that have a shorter life-cycle.

A friend of mine is a networking consultant, so I'm going to talk with him next week, I know he deploys and sells Compaq servers all the time, so he may be able to answer some of my questions, eventhough he doesn't deal directly with webhosting. But I figured maybe someone who may actually use these machines might have some input.

I'd rather get as many facts as I can before buying a $15-20,000 dollar server :D

beley
07-13-03, 01:27 PM
A network I work with has about 25 Compaq servers (I believe they are ProLiant's) and they work very well. They have mirrored scsi drives and run 24/7/365 as Novell Groupwise post offices routing mail through the entire network. I can't say how the performance would be serving web sites but I assume it wouldn't be much different. The support from compaq/hp is also very good...

nickn
07-14-03, 09:18 PM
Our last server purchase was a Compaq Dual Xeon 2.8ghz with 6GB of RAM, this server has been in use for almost a month, is at what we consider full capacity, and has not had one problem yet...

So far I would give it great reviews...Our other servers are all Dells and this one so far runs as well, if not better than the Dells, however they are a bit more expensive then the Dells.

JeremyV
07-15-03, 05:31 AM
Thanks for the info so far :)

When you say full capacity, can you give a few numbers? Maybe how much data transfer it pushes out a month? What kind of sites are you hosting, mostly static HTML, or a lot of dynamic sites and database driven sites?

jbiz718
07-15-03, 06:10 AM
I would honestly look at not leasing your servers. I handle all the server buying for the company I work for. Leasing is good but a lease to own will actually cost you more in the long run. Even at a $1 buy out at the end you will be paying more.

Even more so with hardware costs dropping like crazy you would be much better off on a buy.

For what you will get with an IBM and or Compaq I am pretty sure you can find much cheaper sources that would make it worth your while to buy them outright. I can tell you first hand from what I deal with that our costs would be 30-40% higher if we went with the companies you mentioned.

Here is the last high end xeon box i bought:
Supermicro 6013P8 1U server w/video, 2 x gigabit, 3 hot-swap bays, 24X slim CD-ROM, 1.44MB floppy, 400W PS
Dual Xeon 2.4GHz, 512K cache, 533MHz FSB
4GB ( 4 x 1GB) PC2100 ECC Registered DDR
3 x Seagate 18GB 15k rpm U320 SCSI 80-pin
Adaptec 2015S U320 zero channel RAID

The most similiar machine i could come up with at IBM:
xSeries 345
Dual 2.67
4gb of memory, 3x18gb drives, raid 3.
This machine costs a total of $6700 about

The machine I bought which was just as good if not better was $4200.

$2500 in savings adds up quickly.

Just my thought.